Pythagorean Ratios and Scales
From the Tetrachord to the Scale
In the previous section we saw how a scale fragment can be created by "filling in the tetrachord" with a series of half steps and whole steps, and then combining these tetrachords into a variety of modes (scales). We are going to take a step back now and look at how this "filling in" is conceived, using Pythagorean principles. In so doing, we will learn the ratios between all the steps of the scale.
Pentatonic Scales from Pythagorean Ratios
As we learned from the chapter on ancient music theory, the scales that emerge from the note we today call D are the most elemental. We see this essential "Dness" of our music in many ways, most notably in the fact that our stringed instruments are still centered around D. Violins and mandolins are tuned GDAE, violas and cellos are tuned CGDA. The bottom four notes of the guitar, corresponding with the notes of the bass guitar and orchestral bass are EADG. The presence of D (not C!) in all of these tunings point to the historical ancestry of the ultimate Dness of our music. We will be exploring this relationship between Dness and Cness (as I call it) shortly. For now, let's stay in the more ancient world of Dness.
The first principle is that we take a central tone—let's call it the tone center—and build (and tune!) perfect fifths in precise 3:2 intonation above and below the tone center. Let's start with just the fundamental pentatonic scale, which for our purposes begins as:

From this first principle, a variety of pentatonic scales can be realized, depending on which tone is taken to be the resting tone. Thus, using the central, the high and the low tones as the actual tonic or resting tone, we can create these five note patterns (with the resting tone being the low tone), using octave reduction/expansion to bring the other notes within an octave:

- The first version takes the central tone as the tonic or resting note. We could think of this as the Dorian pentatonic, due to its relationship to the Dorian mode.
- The second one uses the lowest tone and builds up from the bottom, pulling all the notes down into the octave. This is the most "tonal" version of the pentatonic and is the scale we are most used to in the West (Amazing Grace, O Freedom, lots of other "spirituals," huge numbers of English and Continental folk songs).
- Number 3, with A as the resting point, keeps the original D as the central tone and pulls the other pitches closer in with octave reduction, resulting in a scale beginning on A. It is the second most common pentatonic in the West and we usually refer to it is as the minor pentatonic. Since we will be more modally based in our class, we'll call it the aeolian pentatonic.
- The last version is the reverse of number two, as it builds down from the top and could be considered the reciprocal version of the pentatonic, which we call also call the Phrygian pentatonic.
These contrasts encapsulate some fundamental principles and polarities that are worth pointing out:
- Scales can be seen as having their origin around a symmetrical center point.
- The central point can then also become the root tone of a complete ascending scale (# 1).
- The central point can also remain in the center, with other tones brought into the octave by octave reduction (#3), with the scale range being within a fifth above and a fifth below.
- These symmetrical arrangements are also re-envisioned from the top up or the bottom down, so that the lowest tone in the symmetry can assume the root function (# 2), or...
- More radically, the top tone in the symmetry can also assume the root function (#4). As we will be exploring, this forms the reciprocal relative to the ascending scale.
- Finally, it is important to notice the presence or absence of the perfect
fourth and fifth in each of these pentatonics:
- The Dorian and Aeolian pentatonics contain both the perfect fifth and perfect fourth. Another way to think of it is that they contain both the harmonic and arithmetic means. In this way, they are perhaps the most balanced of the pentatonics, being centered (or built upon) the D tonality.
- The tonal pentatonic, on the other hand, contains only the perfect fifth but not the perfect fourth. This is significant, because it resembles the situation with the harmonic series, which does at any harmonic contain the perfect fouth (see the next link in the series for more on this).
- The Phrygian pentatonic, in contrast, contains the perfect fourth but not the perfect fifth. Another way to put this is that is has the reciprical dominant, the fifth below (octave expanded into the range of the scale), but not the overtonal dominant. This is keeping with the Phrygian mode, which as we'll explore in more detail in the next link, is the reciprocal of the Ionian mode.
If we now look at the ratios of these notes, we can observe the following. These ratios will hold, regardless of the type of pentatonic we are creating, because the intervals are all based on 3:2 relationships. This is beauty and simplicity of 3-limit systems, which work great for melodic music but create problems with harmonic music, as we will see.
The Ratios of the Pentatonic in the 3-limit system
The ratios are:
- D to D is 1:1 or 1, the unison central tone.
- D to A is 3:2, the arithmetic mean
- D to G is 4:3, the harmonic mean
- D to E is 9:8. This is derived by taking two fifths above the D, which 3/2 X 3/2 = 9/4. Then you reduce it down the octave by subracting the ratio of the octave, which is 2/1. Subtracting intervals means dividing them, so 9/4 divided by 2/1 is the same as 9/4 X 1/2 = 9/8. This is what we would expect, since the E is also a pure Pythagorean whole tone above the E, just as the G and the A are a whole tone apart, or 9:8.
- D to C is 16/9. It is not surprising that this ratio is the most complex, as it results in the sounding of a minor seventh. Note how it is just "off" from being a pure octave (16:8 = 2:1). It can be derived by going up two perfect fourths, which is mathematically equivalent to going down two perfect fifths. Thus 4/3 X 4/3 = 16/9.
Please work this out for yourself if it doesn't immediately make sense to you.
Make sure you can clearly sing and hear these in your imagination, and that you can internalize the sound and feeling of them. Try very hard to hear these as a relationship of pure perfect fifths (in other words, don't just play them at the piano but internalize them as pure harmonic ratios - sing them above a central tone).
Building the Dorian Mode
The full Dorian scale (mode) can be conceived of as being created by an additional pairing of fifths above and below the pentatonic set. This give us:

Taking the central tone as tonic (method # 1, above), it is easy to see the Dorian mode emerge, using octave reduction/expansion to pull the notes within the octave:

It is important to note the beautiful symmetry of the resultant Dorian mode. The Dorian mode has the same order of half steps and whole steps whether one ascends or descends. No doubt this has much to do with its rather calm and noble character. This relates back to our very first page, when we discussed the symmetry of the bass clef. We can now see another reason why D dorian and "Dness" is more ancient, since the bass clef (F clef) is one of the two most ancient clefs, dating back to Gregorian chant. This clef is centered around the symmetry of the Dorian mode ("The Symmetry of Dness").

Thus the scale is TSTTTST whether ascending of descending.
To our ears, it is that characterstic "minor third with a major sixth and minor seventh" that is the Dorian modes distinguishing characteristic. The minor third is there whether you go from D up to F or from D down to B. Similarly, the major sixth is there whether you go from D up to B or D down to F. Minor seventh? D to C or D down to E. And of course the perfect fourth and fifth are inversions of each other. Check this our for yourself: start at the central D note, find an interval in one direction and find the interval again in the other direction. Minor third balances with minor third, major with major, and so forth.
The Remaining Ratios
As we move into determining the other ratios, a little mathematical reminder is needed:
- To add two intervals, we multiply their ratios. Do two fifths above a theoretical starting ratio of 1 X 3/2 X 3/2 = 9/8. This is how we reached the 9/8 interval in the pentatonic scale above. It is also how we reached the minor seventh, by adding two perfect fourths, which is 4/3 X 4/3 = 16/9.
- To subract two intervals, we divide their ratios. Dividing ratios means
to take the reciprocal of one of the ratios and multiply. So a perfect
fifth minus a perfect fourth should give us a whole tone:
- 3/2 minus 4/3 is 3/2 X 3/4 = 9/8. Check.
- The same process of subraction is used to find the difference between two intervals. Again, this would give us the 9:8 between the fifth and the fourth. Further uses of this principle follow.
We also need to introduce the concept of octave reduction. We did this in a musical way in discovering the pentatonic scales above. We found fifths above and below a central tone, then brought them up or down an octave or two to bring them within the octave range of a scale.
Octave Reduction, explained
A simple process for finding the ratio that corresponds to the harmonic relationship of a scale tone to its tonic is as follows:
- Let a given
tonic (we'll call it C) be known as 1 (i.e. 1:1 or a unison). Track the
harmonic path of the scale tone. Each time you go up a fifth, multiply
times 3—that is, place 3 in the numerator. Each time you go down a fifth,
divide by 3—that is, place 3 in the denominator.
- Thus 3:1 is an octave and a fifth above the C (G, meaning C to C to G). 9:1 is an octave and two fifths (D, meaning C to G to D).
- 1:3 is an octave a fifth below the C (the F, meaning C down C then down to F).
- The resulting fraction indicates the harmonic
relationship of the two tones. If the fraction is greater
than 1 but less than 2, the second tone lies within the compass of an octave above
the tonic.
- This clearly is true of the ratios we have found so far. 3:2, 4:3 and 9:8 are all greater than 1 but less than 2.
- If the fraction is less than 1 or greater than 2,
then octave-reduce by halving or doubling the numerator or the denominator
a sufficient number of times until the fraction lies between 1 and 2.
The new number is the ratio of the two tones within an octave, with the
tonic represented by the denominator and the scale tone by the numerator.
- Thus, we can see that when we find the ratio of 3:1, the fifth that is an octave and a fifth above the C, we simple "octave-reduce it" by bringing the denominator up an octave, which give us our familiar 3:2.
- When we have the F an octave and a fifth below the C, as 1/3, we
need to increase the numerator by factors of 2 to bring it within
the octave.
- If we bring the low C up an octave and form the ratio 2:3, then we have the fifth below the C, the F. If we octave reduce it once more, (multiply by 2), then we get 4:3, which is the now-familiar perfect fourth above the C.
Let's clarify this one last time with musical notation:

Back to the Dorian Mode
What is also important to notice when creating the Dorian mode from the Pentatonic scale is that we have added in the phenomenon of the semitone, which is of course what distinquishes the septatonic (7-note) scale from the pentatonic. The ratios of D to E, G, A, and C were derived above. Now we need to add the ratios of D to B and D to F, and then find the intervals between them.
- D to B is 27/16. This can be found in two ways.
- Either take another perfect fifth above the E, so 9:8 X 3:2 = 27/16 or find the pure tone above the A, which is 3/2 X 9/8 = 27/16.
- You could also find the real B that is three fifths above the D, which would be 3/2 X 3/2 X 3/2 = 27/8. Then octave reduce by bringing the low tone up an octave by multiplying by 2. Thus, again: 27/16.
- D to F is 32/27. This can be found by various reciprocal processes. Since we've found C to be the ratio of 16/9 (see above), we can find the fifth below this C by dividing by 3/2 (ie. 16X2 / 9X3 = 32/27.) Another way is to find the F that is three fifths below the D, which is 2/3 (invert the ratio when descending) X 2/3 X 2/3 or 8/27. Then bring the numerator into the proper octave by multiplying by 4 (two octaves is 2 to the second). This again gives 32/27.
What remains is to find the ratios that exist between each step of the scale. These ratios are found by dividing the various fractions and reducing down as needed.
When this is accomplished, the following result is obtained. All whole tones work out to be the ratio of 9:8, while all semitones work out to be the ratio of 256/243 (!):
1
|
2 |
3 |
4 |
5 |
6 |
7 |
8 |
1/1 |
9/8 |
32/27 |
4/3 |
3/2 |
27/16 |
16/9 |
2/1 |
D |
E |
F |
G |
A |
B |
C |
D |
9/8 |
256/243 |
9/8 |
9/8 |
9/8 |
254/543 |
9/8 |
The 9:8 ratios are obtained by dividing the various ratios and then reducing down the fraction. For example, the interval between the F and G can be shown to be 9:8 by dividing the two ratios (27X4/32X3 = 108/96) and dividing both by 12, which gives 9/8. A similar process occur between the A and the B, using 6 as the reduction factor. Do this yourself!
The semitone between E and F and between B and C is derived by the same process. Thus 8 X 32 / 9 X 27 = 256/243. Notice how much more complex is the the ratio of the semitone! As this is already within the octave, it can't be reduced down to a simpler fraction.
I know that these numbers may seem a bit un-musical. No musician ever says "Hey, man, I liked how you played that series of 9/8 ratios over that chord tuned to the ratio of 4:5:6!" But the concept behind this is what I want you to carry with you.
You are now grasping a fundamental principle of music theory, known to every trained musician for millennia. Tuning septatonic scales by Pythagorean, 3-limit intonation results in scales with identical whole tones and semitones (9/8 and 256/243, respectively). But, and it's a very big but:
As neat and tidy as this system seems, a fundamental problem occurs. In this system, two semitones do not add up to a full tone! Thus we can see that this is not an equally tempered scale, because the ratio 256/243 is not exactly a half of a tone. If you do the math and add two Pythagorean half steps (multiply the semitone ratio by itself), you get the wonderful ratio of 65536/59049! This does not reduce down to a 9/8 ratio, is it slightly smaller. (It's easier here to express it in decimal notation:
- 9/8 = 1.125
- 65536/59049 = 1.1099087
This discrepancy between ratios is but the first of many important ones we will encounter in understanding intonation. It is one of the Pythagorean commas, which will be covered in the section after this.
Meanwhile, we need a new page to cover one last aspect of tuning ratios: the comparison of the Pythagorean and Just systems of intonation. This is also known as comparing the 3-limit and the 5-limit systems.
Next: 3C Just Intonation
